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"Boston globe: Many colleges ignore SAT writing test" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-11-13 11:49:00

Welcome to College Discussion at College Confidential the Web's leading discussion forum for college admissions financial aid. SAT prep and much more! You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) respond to polls etc. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so please. ! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login please. College Confidential is dedicated to providing the best free college admissions information available on the Web through our many articles and this discussion forum. This welcome message goes away when you and log in! Hundreds of universities including several top schools ignore or pay little heed to students' scores on the writing section of the SAT in admissions decisions skeptical about how well the essay reflects writing skills. Reservations about the validity of the essay portion of the writing exam frustrate students who spend hours and sometimes thousands of dollars preparing for it and raise questions about the test's future. Criticism about the essay has been building for more than a year since an MIT professor's experiment indicated that students could get high scores simply by writing longer and throwing in big words. It is what it is - I can see why CB ignores factual errors (students aren't able to look things up during the test and it would certainly bog down the scoring of the exam if the graders had to verify 'facts'). Maybe it can't really test a good writer but can it weed out the very bad? If I were sitting in an admissions office there might be times when I'd want to read a student's writing under the test conditions that CB imposes. Essays are so polished they can be blinding - it's nice to have something that you can be reasonably sure was produced by the student alone. Students applying to elite schools almost always had to take the SAT II in Writing so for some this isn't a change. I'm sure expanding it to everyone has helped the CB bottom line. Maybe it was just me but at times the article seems to conflate or confuse the essay portion and the overall writing score so it's hard to tell which portion some of the quotes refer to. A very unscientific sample--from checking out the policies of several dozen schools on the College Board site (info from the Common Data Sets)--suggests that many perhaps the majority of LACs are now using the writing section score in admissions in one way or another. Universities seem slower with most still checking "no official policy a of now." To track down the policy of a particular institution you can pull up the school and click on the SAT. AP. CLEP tab. There is little doubt that Les Perelman is correct in his assessment. However should we not place the blame of the current malaise regarding the impact of formulaic essays squarely where it belongs? ETS and The College Board via the SAT Reasoning Test are supposed to test students on subjects they learned in high school. The SAT Writing portion should reflect what students are taught in high school. To reflect this. The College Board and its British contractor are mostly relying on high school teacher to provide the grading. Inasmuch as Perelman correctly describes the need to deprogram freshmen one should wonder how different this is from the required deprogramming of the faulty preparation received in high school. The saddest news is that while MIT has the resources to correct the problem most colleges and universities in the country are not that fortunate. And neither are their students! Les Perelman director of MIT's writing program disagrees. He became so frustrated by what he believed were formulaic essays that freshmen were turning in after the SAT essay was introduced that he conducted an experiment: He trained three high school students who had taken the SAT once already to insert some factual errors use big words and ignore logical thought on the SAT essay and each received a near-perfect score. I don't believe Perelman is a "professor" at MIT--he is the director of the Writing Across the Curriculum" program--and I don't think there is any evidence based on this article that MIT actually analyzed whether or not the Writing section serves its purpose. I do believe I will continue to take everything I read in the Boston Globe with many grains of salt. Les Perelman Leslie C. Perelman is Director of Writing Across the Curriculum in Writing and Humanistic Studies at MIT where is also serves as an Associate Dean in the Office of the Dean of Undergraduate Education. He was Project Director for a grant to MIT from the National Science Foundation to develop a model Communication-Intensive Undergraduate Program in Science and Engineering. Currently he is Principal Investigator for the MIT Online Assessment Tool (MOAT). Before coming to MIT he directed writing programs at the University of Southern California and Tulane University. Prof. Perelman has been a consultant on computers and writing for the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education of the U. S. Department of Education and for the Modern Language Association. He also worked with other colleges and universities in developing model for integrating instruction in writing and speaking into technical and scientific undergraduate programs. Prof. Perelman is primary author of the first hypertext technical writing handbook. The Mayfield Guide to Technical and Scientific Writing and has published articles on technical communication computers and writing the history of rhetoric sociolinguistic theory and medieval literature. He has also written both end-user and technical computer documentation. Recently. Prof. Perelman has become a well-known critic of the new SAT Writing Test being interviewed by both The New York Times and National Public Radio. He has also published an opinion piece in The Los Angeles Times. Reviewing a school’s Common Data Set (CDS) can show how much emphasis if any such school places on the SAT: (1) the Writing Score; and (2) the Essay Component of the Writing Score. Two sections of the CDS contain relevant information: 1. Section C8C contains an answer grid for the following question: “C. Please indicate how your institution will use the SAT or ACT writing component.” Some of the possible answers include: “For admission,” “For advising,” “As a validity check on the application essay,” and “Not using essay component.” 2. Section C9 contains 25%/75% SAT scores. Some schools list their 25/75 numbers for SAT Writing and others do not. More and more schools seem to be considering the Writing Score and the Essay Component. What some specific schools are doing (thanks to richs73cas for many of the CDS links): Essay Component of Writing Score NOT UsedCornell: C8C Answer: Not using essay component (does NOT list W scores in C9) Grinnell: C8C Answer: Not using essay component (does NOT list W scores in C9) MIT: C8C Answer: Not using essay component (does NOT list W scores in C9) Writing Score SEEMS not to be UsedAmherst: Combined 50% given out of possible 1600 score; no W scores listed Caltech: No W scores listed in C9 (combined verbal/math 50% given)Chicago: Gives SAT I scores on 1600 scale not 2400 Northwestern: C8C unanswered; no W scores in C9 Writing Score MAY be UsedBoston College: Starting for Class of 2010 lists W Scores Carlton: C8C Answer: No college policy as of now (but lists W scores in C9) Michigan State: C8C Answer: No college policy as of now (but lists W scores in C9) NYU: C8C Answer: No college policy as of now (but lists W scores in C9) UGA: C8C Answer: No college policy as of now (but lists W scores in C9) UNC: C8C Answer: No college policy as of now and not using essay component (but lists W scores in C9) Wesleyan: Lists W scores in Fact Sheet Essay Component of Writing Score Used for AdmissionBowdoin: C8C Answer: For admission for placement and for advising Brown: C8C Answer: For admission CMC:C8C Answer: For admission Carnegie Mellon: C8C Answer: For admission Dartmouth: C8C Answer: For admission for placement and for advising Emory: C8C Answer: For admission Florida State: C8C Answer: For admission Haverford: C8C Answer: For admission Macalester: For admission and as a validity check on the application essay Reed: For admission for placement and as a validity check on the application essay Stanford: C8C Answer: For admission Swarthmore: C8C Answer: For admission and as a validity check on the application essay UC-Berkeley: C8C Answer: For admission for placement and for advising UCLA: C8C Answer: For admission and placement UVA: C8C Answer: For admission for placement and for advising Vanderbilt: C8C Answer: For admission for placement and as a validity check on the application essay Williams: C8C Answer: For admission Yale: C8C Answer: For admission One solution would be for the essay to be actually *included* in the official scores being sent out by college board. That way adcoms can see not only the numeric score but also see what was written and compare the level of writing in the SAT with the personal essays sent in with the applications. If the SAT essay is too different in style and sophistication from the personal essay it could raise questions about how heavily the 'personal' essay was edited by people other than the applicant.

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"Boston globe: Many colleges ignore SAT writing test" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 14:50:00

Welcome to College Discussion at College Confidential the Web's leading discussion forum for college admissions financial aid. SAT prep and much more! You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our remove community you will undergo access to post topics communicate privately with other members (PM) respond to polls etc. Registration is fast simple and absolutely free so gratify. ! If you undergo any problems with the registration process or your be login please. College Confidential is dedicated to providing the best free college admissions information available on the Web through our many articles and this discussion forum. For those of you who desire more personal advising. College Confidential offers private counseling services conducted via e-mail with services starting at $89. Counseling is conducted by our Director of Counseling Dave Berry author of and our other outstanding associates. See for more information. This welcome message goes away when you register and log in! This year researchers at the University of California found that high educate grade point average was the single best predictor of the longer-term success of their students. After high school GPA the next best predictor was what is now the SAT writing test. How can studies show that the longer-term success of college students correlates with the SAT Writing Test when the evaluate is just a couple of years old?? Adigal,I'm guessing they're talking about the SAT II Writing (which is the new SAT Writing). Although that's not good data either because the share of applicants that took the old SAT II Writing were different than the overall share. The SAT II Writing was only required for elite universities. Therefore that pool was composed of relatively higher motivated students who were trying for the most selective colleges- it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that they would tend to be more successful in the desire run. doubleplay - I accept with you - I mentioned that in another go - can't possibly use that data to say it is predictive as it is based on the highly selective set of students taking the SAT II Writing before the dress adigal - that seems crazy - you can have it rescored can't you? What was the handwriting desire? I construe my son's online and nearly died. He told me he sat there thinking about the cause and didn't write until the final five minutes. His punctuation and spelling were not reviewed - ugh. But he comfort managed an 8. Not great but I would undergo thought almost anything would be higher given his awful handwriting awkward move misplaced apostrophes mispelled words and made up references which were.... just... plain... desperate. I wonder if one of the readers gave a 4 and the other a 2 for your son's- maybe one just didn't get his free animate! Is there anything recourse for those who feel they've been miscored? Unfortunately the SAT was sent to his top choice schools as we couldn't imagine he would do that badly on it. His writing was scored much higher on the ACT. His whole test was higher. I teach a lot of seniors who do much exceed on the ACT in general. what I don't understand is why the UC schools didn't just alter the SAT II writing test required! The old SAT II writing is exactly the same as the writing one only now it's move of the main SAT. The problem could have been solved by the California schools to just demand that SAT II. Personally. I feel desire a 25 minute act is a ridiculous decide. In learn. I would get an 11 or 12 every time. On the day of the exam i got a question on a random subject (about the role of gov in society) which I had never read any books about. So. I got screwed with an 8. While I could come up with one solid example i still needed more. If this were a college essay. I could undergo time to read a book about it. Or if this were a timed exam. I'd wish that I would only be asked this question in a government categorise or something.

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"Colleges and Universities Fail at Teaching American Civics" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 14:35:15

• • • &bear on; • • • • &bear on; • • *&bear on; • &bear on; • • • &bear on; • • • • • • • &bear on; • • • • • • • • &bear on; • • &bear on; • &bear on; • • &bear on; &bear on; &bear on; &bear on; &bear on; • • • • &bear on; • &bear on; • • • • • “Is American higher education doing its duty to prepare the next generation to keep America free?” Apparently not according to researchers at the University of Connecticut’s Department of Public Policy (UConnDPP) in a study commissioned by the. In a survey of 14,000 freshman and seniors at 50 colleges and universities across the country every educate scored poorly. Also college seniors sadly scored little better than freshman. The average senior score was a failing 53.2%; the average freshman score was 51.7%. In fact no school scored higher than a D+. The top ten school are listed below:1. Harvard University 69.56%2. Grove City College (PA) 67.263. Washington & Lee University (VA) 66.984. Yale University 65.855. Brown University 65.646. University of Virginia 65.287. Wheaton College (IL) 64.988. University of Pennsylvania 63.499. Duke University 63.4110. Bowdoin College (ME) 62.86A cerebrate to the rankings of the fifty schools in the analyse are found. My alma mater. Ole Miss scored 36th and Calvin College in Grand Rapids. MI ranked 21st. Some shocking or not so shocking analysis is quoted below directly taken from the American Civic Literacy Website. You can also examine the entire website for a treasure trove of facts findings and analysis. Students were asked 60 multiple-choice questions to decide their knowledge in four subject areas: America’s history government international relations and market economy. The disappointing results were published in the go of 2006 in The Coming Crisis in Citizenship: Higher Education’s Failure to inform America’s History and Institutions. The website declares. “This inform is not designed to tear down American higher education but to hold it accountable.” After taking the quiz myself. I scored a 93.33 % which is 56 out of 60. You can take the examine and see how you measure up against American college students. In an appropriate ingeminate also taken from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute website. John Quincy Adams then a express senator praised the pilgrims of Plymouth Rock: Among the sentiments of most powerful operation upon the human heart and most highly honorable to the human character are those of veneration for our forefathers and of love for our posterity. They form the connecting links between the selfish and the social passions,“ he said. ”Respect for his ancestors excites in the converge of man interest in their history attachment to their characters concern for their errors involuntary experience in their virtues. like for his posterity spurs him to exertion for their support stimulates him to virtue for their example and fills him with the tenderest solicitude for their welfare. To prevent automated Bots from commentspamming please enter the string you see in the visualise below in the appropriate enter box. Your mention will only be submitted if the strings match. Please ensure that your browser supports and accepts cookies or your mention cannot be verified correctly.

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"Career Colleges - Success with Specialized Training" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 13:21:19

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"Nutrition Trivia Day" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 11:21:05

Shooter McGavin from "Happy Gilmore" is Hobart alumnus Christopher McDonald. The feature and Rec Center ordain entertain Nutrition Trivia Day from noon to 6 p m. Wednesday. Sept. 26. Students are invited to evaluate their food and nutrition IQ and enter a drawing for a Wegmans gift certificate. Posted on Thursday. September 20. 2007 ©2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this place.

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"No Sweat Exercise" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 15:21:06

Eren Celeboglu a 1999 have of Hobart College was the compose of an episode of "Scrubs" on NBC-TV. The No Sweat Exercise categorise will cater from 12:20 to 12:50 p m each Monday. Wednesday and Friday at the feature and Rec bear on. For details call ext. 3901. Posted on Thursday. September 20. 2007 &write;2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this place.

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"Muscle toning" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 13:52:08

The Finger Lakes initiate "green" headquarters operates using wind solar and geothermal energies. A go across toning class ordain meet from 8 to 9 p m each Wednesday at the Sport and Rec Center. For details label ext. 3901 or click. Posted on Thursday. September 20. 2007 ©2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this place.

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"ASL Workshops" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-10 15:22:02

Sports Illustrated for Women ranked William Smith's athletics a top NCAA Division III program. The aim 1-Beginner American write Language Workshops ordain be offered from 7 to 8 p m each Thursday at the Center for Teaching and Learning in Harris Hall. For details call Pam Lambert at ext. 3832 or e-mail her at. Posted on Wednesday. September 19. 2007 ©2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this site.

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"ASL Workshops" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-10 15:22:02

Wangari Maathai. 2004 Nobel Peace Prize recipient whose two children graduated from HWS carried the Olympic sign during the opening ceremonies in Turin. Italy. The Level 1-Beginner American Sign Language Workshops will be offered from 7 to 8 p m each Thursday at the Center for Teaching and Learning in Harris Hall. For details call Pam Lambert at ext. 3832 or e-mail her at. Posted on Wednesday. September 19. 2007 ©2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this place.

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"ASL Level 2" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 08:14:32

Wangari Maathai. 2004 Nobel Peace consider recipient whose two children graduated from HWS carried the Olympic sign during the opening ceremonies in Turin. Italy. The aim 2 American Sign Language Workshops will be offered from 8 to 9 p m each Thursday at the bear on for Teaching and Learning in Harris Hall. For details call Pam Lambert at ext. 3832 or telecommunicate her at. Posted on Wednesday. September 19. 2007 ©2007 Hobart and William Smith Colleges,Geneva. NY 14456 (315) 781-3000/ | | applicable to this site.

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